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Miraun
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Posted: Wed Mar 3rd, 2010 02:19 pm |
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So yeah... it's still undeniable that MNKs will beat PUPs... BB, better gear selection, another rank or two of martial arts, higher base STR, focus, w/e...
The real question is whether or not you think that those attributes are worth more than the automaton. The automaton is getting buffed in the patch as well. The Melee frames are getting much higher defense so that they're not taking 60000 damage per hit. That paired with very potent repair oils (Further strengthened by AF feet and Ob Earring), could let them live indefinitely. Potentially even against something like a Salvage Chariot when meleeing (ignoring TP concerns).
Currently, the damage between master / automaton is around 30/70 %. In a merit party on mamool, I've rivaled a new 75 MNK and 75 DRK in damage output... this was before a lot of Enkidu, using mostly relic. With the usukane I've picked up, and the better weapons, merits, gear (omfg pantin cape), I would be interested to parse it against an actual LS DD.
I wouldn't anticipate beating anyone as a PUP, but I'd at least like to think I could keep up with Tramp's help. (Although, a big concern would be subjobs with A ranked H2H... it may mean /NIN is necessary over /WAR)
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Lixue
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Posted: Wed Mar 3rd, 2010 09:22 pm |
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| Though I don't know much about PUP because I've never levelled it it sounds like you have a point about at least keeping up. I personally would be interested in seeing your parse results vs an ls DD after the update.
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Hawkhellfire
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Posted: Wed Mar 3rd, 2010 10:02 pm |
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| I think it's completely situational depending on what lvls 76-99 bring. They are making automaton's stronger defensively and have stated they want to reduce the recast on activate as well as make it easier to heal them, so that should help us keep them out at all times. MNK has the advantage of more martial arts, some better gear (Destroyers, BB), and better natural DD/tanking JA's (Focus, Dodge, Counterstance), PUP will be gaining more advantages from SJ's, including all of MNK's offensive/defensive JA's provided we sub MNK. Also, Stringing Pummel is better then Asuran Fists and with the A in H2H, PUP's should be able to dish out large amounts of damage to even it out. Hell PUP may even get Asuran Fists now. Also, with the new ability to augment existing weapons, we could take things like Hades Santi and turn them into Destroyers+10 to even the score. It will certainly be an exciting year.
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Miraun
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Posted: Wed Mar 3rd, 2010 10:28 pm |
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| Actually... Once Neo comes back, and the cap is 85 at that point, we can hopefully take quite a few shots at PW (if we decide to go back and do more ZNMs), and make that not Destroyers versus Sainti, but Shenlongs versus Shenlongs.
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Hawkhellfire
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Posted: Thu Mar 4th, 2010 01:37 am |
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| Sounds good to me^^
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Neosutra
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Posted: Thu Mar 4th, 2010 01:06 pm |
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| Ha sounds good, but prepare to still be destroyed!
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Miraun
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Posted: Thu Mar 4th, 2010 03:07 pm |
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| GOOD LUCK DESTROYING ME WITHOUT YOUR DESTROYERS
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Eratosthenes
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Posted: Thu Mar 4th, 2010 09:22 pm |
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| I'm definitely planning on running my Destroyers through the Trial of the Magians quest. SE has already mentioned +DMG and -Delay as possible effects you can add.
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Neosutra
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Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 09:42 am |
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| Im more interested in low man instanced dynamis to upgrade from destroyers to Spharai lol! (after excalibur ofcourse..)
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Lixue
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Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2010 08:21 pm |
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| Did they say they were going to instance Dynamis?! That would be SWEET!!!!
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Neosutra
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Posted: Fri Mar 12th, 2010 02:07 pm |
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| Didnt say it, but if they dont it is going to be a nightmare once the lvl cap allows 1-2 parties to full clear zones..
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Lixue
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Posted: Mon Mar 15th, 2010 09:47 pm |
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| Yeah I was thinking the same thing. They may not do it at first because SE fails at actually thinking ahead lol. But I'm sure they will eventually adjust it.
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Johnnycloud
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Posted: Mon Mar 22nd, 2010 04:12 pm |
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| B+! LMAO! PUP lives to be ignored another day.
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Hawkhellfire
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Posted: Mon Mar 22nd, 2010 04:54 pm |
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| B+ still isn't bad. Plus if you factor in the automaton damage AND the fact that Stringing Pummel is a better ws then Asuran Fists, it should make quite the match up. They probably were going to make it A or A- but some JP MNKs committed suicide so they opted to lower it for those that get way too emo over retarded shit.
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Miraun
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Posted: Tue Mar 23rd, 2010 04:19 am |
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| What's the cap on B+ compared to what we had before? Can't exactly log in from India...
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Hawkhellfire
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Posted: Tue Mar 23rd, 2010 05:35 pm |
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| 230 I think was our cap at C. 256 is B+
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Alarial
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Posted: Tue Mar 23rd, 2010 06:11 pm |
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~23 accuracy and attack boost with the other enhancements is still pretty sweet.
Still no match for my MNK, but I'll at least merit with you without feeling like Im being charitable  . edit: this is neo if ya didnt figure that out..
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Miraun
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Posted: Wed Mar 24th, 2010 04:05 am |
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Yeah, full +1 base damage too, basically +2 more easily as well. Beggars can't be choosers, and honestly, I never really thought that we needed the H2H increase!
That paired with the Automaton increases are pretty sick sweet though... I'm actually wondering if Tramp could tank a chariot if I spammed oil+2s
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